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Hotrod1 by MDTartist83

Before I go over this, I want to let everybody know that there are some things on my mind that have been bothering me lately. In fact, I've been holding it in for quite a while now. So I figured I'd just take this time to let it all out, and purge it from my soul through this rant. Though, if you don't want to hear what I have to say, then I respect that. So I would advise you all to read this at your own risk. If you choose the latter, I won't stop you.

As every fan knows by now, Transformers was one of the major highlights of the 1980s. Since 1984 with the creation of the toyline and the original TV show, it has become a huge phenomenon in the history of popular culture. And since the release of the original animated movie, the franchise has displayed limitless potential for a vast number of continuities and story arcs to be derived from its influences. As time went on, the franchise has spawned numerous other toylines, comics, and television shows. And in recent years, the franchise was brought back to the big screen through the live-action films directed by Michael Bay. To this day, Transformers is well remembered and regarded by fans everywhere as one of the most popular and influential toy based franchises in history. But there are some things that have been bothering me. Besides the fact that there were several TV show spin-offs which I considered to be a complete insult to the franchise (RID, Energon, and Animated), another thing that's been bothering me is the fact that there are several characters who have become apart of the franchise since their debut, but for some odd reason are often shunned, pushed aside, and left in the shadows. And one of those characters is Rodimus Prime. In this entry, I want to talk about my memories and experiences regarding this rather underrated and neglected character, who I have since come to love as one of my childhood heros, but has received a bit of a mixed reputation since his debut.

As every Transformers fan should know by now, Hotrod/Rodimus Prime is a character who was introduced to the franchise back in 1986 with the release of the original animated theatrical film "Transformers: The Movie". And as everybody who has seen that movie may remember, he was part of a new cast of characters who were made to replace some of the older cast of characters, most of who unfortunately were killed in the film. The new characters introduced in the movie were made essentially to support a new line of toys that would sell. Unfortunately however, most of these new characters have received a bit of a mixed reputation; not many people liked them or cared about them as much as they cared about the original cast of characters. And well… In some ways, I can see where they're coming from. Some people had fair and sensible sounding reasons for why they didn't care too much about them, but others were simply biased towards these new characters for their own personal reasons. And as fate would have it, Rodimus Prime unfortunately is one of those characters who has received a mixed to negative reception. Some people like him, and some people don't. So anyway, like most of the new comers introduced in the movie, Rodimus was part of the new line of action figures that were made approximately around the same time the original movie was released in theatres. Again, not many people cared much about the new cast of characters despite them having a loyal cult-following. But I guess the big problem that a lot of fans have with Rodimus is the fact that he was the one who got Optimus killed in the original movie. From what I understand, Rodimus has received a lot of hatred and negativity for this reason. To be honest, I two shared a lot of the fans' anger and frustration towards this event. In fact, at one time, I blamed Rodimus completely and entirely for the death of Optimus Prime. However, my anger towards him was short-lived when I realized that it wasn't really his fault, but rather, it was the fault of the ones behind him. Because in a common sense point of view, Rodimus is not entirely to blame for getting Optimus killed. In the way I see it, it was his fault, and at the same time it wasn't. But for the most part, I don't blame Rodimus for getting Prime killed; I blame the script writers for it. Because when it gets right down to it, the script writers are truly the ones to blame for killing off Optimus Prime along with the rest of the original characters.

But of course, not everybody has the same idea; everybody has their own opinions, and I respect that. But seriously, Rodimus is not entirely to blame. And he's not as bad as some fans make him out to be. In fact, during his debut in the 1986 film, he was actually quite well-written in terms of his personality and charm. And right from the beginning, he showed a lot of potential to shine as a great leader and as Optimus's successor. I know I might have said this many times before, but I always believed that Rodimus was special and noteworthy despite his mixed reception. And to be honest, I don't think he was all that bad a leader. I agree that he's nowhere near as good as Optimus, and he did bitch and complain a lot from time to time in a childish sort of manner. And sometimes he proved himself to be totally inept. But come on people, have mercy. Rodimus is younger than Optimus. He didn't have the patience or the experience that Optimus had because in season 3, he was just getting used to accepting his responsibility as leader. It's worth mentioning Optimus Prime has had ages of experience, which is why he is far more mature, wiser, and more confident than Rodimus. And that's the thing; the more experience you have, the more confident and efficient you become at what you do best. And the thing that some people need to realize is that the reason why Optimus is more suited as leader is because he has way more experience than Rodimus has had, and because he's been leading the Autobots for a much longer time. Rodimus on the other hand is like a young high-schooler who is very unsure of himself and is full of self-doubt. And for this reason, I often found myself relating to Rodimus. Because I too have a lot of self-doubt. But let's face it; Rodimus may not be perfect. But that's what made him special; he was like a young teenager learning to grow. But of course, he never really had the chance to shine since the show ended in 1987 after the premiere of the final episode "Rebirth", which aired shortly after "Return of Optimus Prime". From what I remember, Rodimus was written much better in the movie than he was throughout the course of season 3. In fact, I felt that he was badly misused in season 3 because the writers treated him like he was not a worthy successor to Optimus. What's worse is that they made him weak and bumbling, and they changed his personality from adventurous and full of energy, to whiny and bitchy, which only added to the anti-fans' hatred of him. But seriously, Rodimus deserves better treatment than this because if he was this incompetent in the movie like he was in season 3, he would not have turned out to be the hero that he was. If he was badly written and misused like he was in the TV show, then I doubt he would have survived his fight with Galvatron let alone destroy Unicron. But again, we all have our own opinions and biases. And not everybody cares if Rodimus gets much attention or not. But even though I will always have great respect and admiration for Optimus Prime, my heart bleeds for Rodimus because he just doesn't receive the attention he deserves. Don't get me wrong, people; I love Optimus Prime. Hell, back in my childhood, I regarded Optimus Prime as one of my top childhood heroes. But Rodimus deserves love two even though some people think quite the opposite.

Rodimus by MDTartist83

Because Rodimus has received mixed to negative criticism, he's had very few appearances from G1 onwards. As far back as I can remember, many different spin off series were made throughout time. But very few of them ever featured Rodimus Prime as a returning character from the G1 era. In fact, most of them (if not all) featured Optimus Prime as a returning character along with several other familiar names. But very rarely does Rodimus ever make an entry. Outside of G1 and the comics, he is practically shunned and ignored. In fact, the most recent shows I can think of where the character had any appearances at all were in Transformers Energon (2004), and Transformers Animated (2007-2009). Now the first thing I want to get out of the way is Transformers Energon. To be perfectly honest, I never liked that show very much. If anything, I hate that peice of shit show with a burning passion. I mean hell, even Transformers Armada was better by far. Sure it did have its flaws and downsides like pretty much every other show does. And I admit that there were things about that show that bothered me. But at least Armada was watchable unlike RID or Energon for that matter. But make no mistake; RID was one of the worst Transformers cartoons ever to come out. But I'm not going to waste my time talking about that piece of crap. I'm talking about Transformers Energon. The first thing I didn't like about the show was its horrid blend of traditional animation with CGI. Now normally I think that's a good combination, but in this case, it was just not very well executed. For one reason, the computer graphics look like crap. Even for its time it looks like crap. And the special effects aren't that good either. But the one problem I had with this show that hindered me from watching it at all was the crap load of annoying characters who I hated. The infamous human character named Kicker was by far the most irritating and annoying human ally ever to be introduced into a Transformers cartoon. In fact, I hated this guy just as much as I hated Max from Kazaam. Everybody keeps telling me that Daniel was annoying. But seriously, Daniel doesn't even come close to being as annoying as Kicker is. Trust me; Kicker takes the cake. He's far more annoying and irritating than Daniel, Sari, or the kids from Armada put together. And many people feel the same way I do about Kicker. There's not one person I know whose found him likable or relatable. And what kind of name is "Kicker"? Couldn't they have thought of a better name for him than that? Because I think the name "Jackass" would be more appropriate for him.

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Anyway, back to what I was saying about Rodimus. His Energon incarnation was strikingly different from his G1 incarnation. Besides the design that was used for his robot mode, which looked almost completely distinct except for the face and color scheme along with the flame design on the chest, his vehicle mode was especially different. Rather than being a futuristic race car with a trailer on the back, Rodimus was depicted as an 18 wheeler, which is usually Optimus's alternate mode. Now personally, I wasn't bothered by this too much, but I prefer Rodimus to be a futuristic race car or at least something resembling a race car. But having him as an 18 wheeler was a little too much for my taste. And of course, in this show, he is simply referred to as "Rodimus" without the "Prime" suffix at the end of his name. And I found that to be odd because people have known him since the G1 era. So what's wrong with just calling him "Rodimus Prime"? But what I loved about this incarnation of the character was that he was tough, powerful, and downright badass. In fact, Rodimus's personality in Energon was completely different from his G1 counterpart; rather than being depicted as an inexperienced adolescent who slowly matured over time, he was a full-fledged leader with exceptional leadership skills and fighting prowess. And rather than being portrayed as Optimus's successor like in G1, he was said to be Optimus's predecessor, which I personally found bizarre and odd. Because every TF fan knows that Optimus's predecessor is Sentinel Prime, who was introduced in the comics that came out in the 80s. And it was from Sentinel from where Optimus gained possession of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, which was one of the most important elements in the G1 continuity. Oh yes, and of course Rodimus could also combine with other Autobots (namely Prowl) into a more powerful (although somewhat goofy looking) form. The one thing that turned me off however was his voice. In this show, he was voiced by Paul Dobson. And in all honesty, I didn't really agree with the way Rodimus sounded like in this series. In my opinion, that deep gruff voice was unfitting for Rodimus. Because normally I picture him sounding like as a young adolescent. And Paul Dobson was not one of the best actors to play the voice of Rodimus. As for Rodimus himself, well I can say this much; even though I pretty much disliked Transformers Energon, it at least acknowledged Rodimus and treated him like he was important and special. And it at least had its own original take on the character. So I'll give it that much. I don't feel that the show did any sort of injustice towards Rodimus other than making him completely different from his G1 incarnation and making him Optimus's predecessor when that should be Sentinel. But otherwise, Energon made a nice homage to this underrated and neglected character. And not only that, but for as horrible as Energon was, that show at least treated Rodimus like a character. Unlike the show that followed four years later.

Rodimus' Demise by MDTartist83

Moving on, it is now time to elaborate on the one thing that has horrified me since the time I saw it with my own two eyes. I don't know how this event has affected the few people out there who are actual Rodimus fans, but do I know for a fact that it has pleased all the haters out there who despise him. This event has literally given me nightmares. In fact, this has given me more nightmares than the 1982 horror film Poltergeist. But before I go over this, I'm first going to talk about the show from where this event took place. As all fans should know by now, Rodimus's most recent appearance was in the 2007 TV show, "Transformers Animated", which surprisingly turned out to be one of the most popular shows in the history of the franchise despite that it has met with mixed reception. From what I remember, some people liked the show, and some people didn't. And then there are those who literally worshiped that show like it was the best thing around. Though, I was shocked to know how insanely popular this show was during its initial airing. To be honest though, I used to hate this show when it first aired. In fact I couldn't understand why it was so popular at first with the abstract animation style along with all the annoying characters, goofiness, and over the top humor. I just couldn't understand why people were so hyped up over it. Hell, some people even went as far as to say that it was better than G1. But I strongly beg to differ. Now before anybody starts bashing the hell out of me, I don't hate this show as much as I used to, but I just couldn't find myself to get around enjoying it. Trust me people, I forced myself to watch at least half of the series during it's airing on television. But I just couldn't get into it that much. Now I know may be ignorant and closed-minded, but in my point of view, Transformers Animated was in no way superior to G1. I'm not saying that G1 is better than all the other series that have followed after it over the years. And I'm not going to waste my time bashing this show like some other people have. But all I'm going to say is that Transformers Animated was its very own series and its own retelling of the story. But I wouldn't go so far to say that it was superior despite how many people seemed to worship it. Like many other shows imaginable, Transformers Animated had its ups and downs. But I'll admit that even the G1 cartoon had its strengths and weaknesses. But that's beside the point.

I do admit that there were a few nice homages to G1 along with some unique plot twists here and there. But some of these homages felt more like an insult than a tribute. First of all, I found it annoying that they had Spike, Daniel, and Carly having only cameo appearances rather than actual roles. Now, I don't have a problem with homages or references. But using the three human characters from the original show as minor characters who just randomly show up for only for a brief few minutes in certain episodes was just annoying. In fact, I found that insulting to my childhood memories. In this series, they have no importance or significance to the story and they're just characters in the background. I even found the G1 reference at the beginning of the series to be demeaning to the franchise. Another thing that bothered me about this show were the lame human villains. Seriously, what's up with the Robin Hood wannabe? And what's up with the lame Headmaster reference and Professor Princess? A Little Pony reference in a Transformers cartoon? Are you kidding me? And also, the character Sari pretty much stole the show with being an overpowered messiah and Mary Sue. That allspark key she had was so overpowered because it seemed like there's no limit to what it could do. The big problem I had with this concept is that with key, nobody could die. And that's just ridiculous. But I'm not going to waste my time with this show. In fact, I got way off track here. The subject is about Rodimus Prime.

Anyway, as I've already mentioned, Rodimus Prime's most recent appearance was in this particular TV show known as Transformers Animated. When I first saw the trailers for this, I didn't know what to expect. In fact, I wasn't so sure on how to react because I was very skeptical on how they would even use Rodimus. Hell, I wasn't so sure they would use him very much at all. And much to my dismay, they literally made short work out of him. Personally, I don't know if I should feel glad or sad that he didn't have much of a role in this show or not. But unfortunately, Rodimus doesn't last for long because his role in this show was very brief and short-lived. In fact, he hardly had much of a role in this show in the first place. His first and only appearance was at the beginning of the episode "Transwarped", where he was depicted as a Hawk-Eye wannabe with an energy bow leading his own team of Autobots. He and his team get ambushed by a group of invading Decepticons called "Team Chaar", led by Oil Slick. Now, the first thing that caught me off guard was the fact that they had Judd Nelson reprising his role as Rodimus. To be honest though, I couldn't tell that was Nelson's voice until I looked it up on the internet. In fact, nobody who has seen the 1986 film would even guess that was Judd Nelson with the way he sounds like today compared to how he sounded like back then. And well, I was less than impressed with Nelson's recent performance. Now before anybody starts attacking me, let me thoroughly explain myself as to why I'm saying this. Because trust me, I've pointed this out numerous times on YouTube, and I've had idiots scolding me for it because they couldn't even handle the truth. Even my brother busted on my ass for this. Anyway, the thing is Judd Nelson no longer fits the role of Rodimus Prime. And the reason why is because his voice has aged along with him, and if you listen to his more recent performance in this cartoon, you'll notice how different he sounds today compared to how he sounded like years ago when he originally voiced the character back in 1986. In fact, he sounds nothing like how I remember him. In the original movie, Judd Nelson sounded much younger and more like how I pictured his character. But in TFA, he sounded like an old man, and I never pictured Rodimus sounding like that. I always pictured him sounding like a teenager like the way he should sound like. And this totally ruined the experience for me. I mean no disrespect to Judd Nelson. And I'm not saying he's washed up or anything. But I have to draw the line somewhere. And for as much as it pains me to say this, I have accept the reality that this isn't the 80s anymore and that Nelson did not age well. He was the perfect voice for Rodimus back in the day when he was a lot younger. But those days are over now. Today, that's an entirely different story. It's been more than 20 years since the release of the original movie, and having Nelson reprise his role after so long is like using an old flashlight battery for a new model when clearly it doesn't work well. Now I know that some of you out there may disagree and think that I'm dissing Judd Nelson. But I'm not; I'm only stating the facts. Because think about it; if Bela Lugosi was still around today, do you think he would be able to reprise his role as Dracula at an old age? Of course not! And do you think Macaulay Culkin would be able to play as Kevin in a new Home Alone movie in his adulthood after so many years? Of course not! Again, I don't mean any disrespect to Judd Nelson. I respect him as one of my favorite celebrities even though he has faded into obscurity. But for as much as it pains me, I have to accept the reality that he's not the same as he was 20 plus years ago. But I will always praise him highly for the things he brought us back in his day. But for the most part, I'm actually glad that he didn't reprise his role in TFA for long. Because for me, his original performance as Rodimus in the 1986 movie will always stand out for me more. Because in my mind, that defined the character much better than any other incarnation has in years. As for his more recent performance, I'd like to forget about that. It's a different time now, and things just aren't the same as they used to be. That's the reality of things.

Anyway, what really killed it for me in this special is that Rodimus was condemned to mal treatment by the writers of this show. And as I said before, his appearance in this show was very brief and short-lived. In fact, after about a minute or so of screentime, he gets taken out by Oil Slick, who tosses a flask of "Cosmic Rust" at his feet, which apparently kills him. And that's the last we see of him in this show. Now personally, I have to admit that I was shocked at this event. Yet, some people claim that Rodimus didn't die even after what clearly looked like his untimely demise in Transwarped. In fact, some people have said that according to Derrick Wyatt, Rodimus survived his ordeal and was on planet Cybertron de-rusting. Honestly, I find that hard to believe. Because it was only ever mentioned in the form of text from various online sources and the Allspark Almanac. But there's no actual evidence indicating that Rodimus even survived. For one reason, we NEVER see him again after his first and only appearance. And if he's nowhere to be seen after that, then he's as good as dead. I don't care what Derrick Wyatt says or what the Almanac says. Because unless I see actual evidence in the show indicating that Rodimus didn't die, then I'm entitled to assume that he's dead regardless of what the sources have stated. Because he sure as hell didn't come back after that. And I just don't understand why they'd do something like that. How could they bring back a character who we haven't seen in years only to give him one short lived introduction and then just kill him? Just leave him for dead? And saying that he didn't die when clearly there's no evidence confirming that is like running over a dog in the street and saying it lived when there's a good chance that it didn't. I'm guessing the writers of this show were among those fans who hated him somewhat irrationally. So they answered the prayers of all the other Rodimus haters out there through this show. Even the "TV tropes & Idioms" have labeled this as a "Take that, Scrappy!" moment. Which doesn't surprise me since Rodimus does have haters. Well, if that was the case, then they've succeeded. And there's no doubt in my mind that all the anti-fans were more than satisfied with this outcome. In fact, this brought me to the conclusion that TFA didn't do Rodimus justice. And after seeing what happened to him in that show, it's only fair to say that Energon did him more justice than Animated ever did. At least Energon acknowledged him and treated him like he was important and special. But his leap to Transformers Animated was just a big slap in the face. For me as a Rodimus fan, this was such a shameful betrayal and an injustice that only helped to sink Rodimus into oblivion. If you ask anybody about Rodimus Prime today, they would either shake their heads and turn away, or they wouldn't know who you're talking about. Because outside of G1, he doesn't exist. He never existed. As far as I'm concerned, the chances of seeing him back in action again are very rare since he's always been a very underrated character. And I don't see him making a comeback anytime soon. After witnessing what became of him in TFA, I've given up hopes for him to make an "actual" comeback. Because even if they did bring him back, they'd most likely condemn him to the same treatment he received in TFA just to satisfy the haters' desires, and to troll fans. As of today, Rodimus is but a mere shadow. He will always have his fans as well as his haters. And as far as I'm concerned, he will probably never have as big a fanbase as Optimus Prime. As a loyal fan, all I can do is hope and pray that he will receive better treatment elsewhere. Because TFA certainly did not treat him with respect. And this has become one of those things that I'd rather forget about. And unless someone can make an effort to shed some light on Rodimus and give him the respect he deserves, he's dead, and he will stay dead.
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TheNightSky1998 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Student General Artist
This is a very interesting entry, though I don't know too much about Rodimus, he sounds like a supporting cast member who sadly was cast off and his potential was wasted, and I do agree the fans could be angry because of apparently him being the cause of Optimus's death (though like you said, it's really the ones behind it) and this G1 (Generation One) series does sound quite intriguing to my general interests, his appearances in the series could be good enough to satisfy some fans, but I agree wholeheartedly he should have more appearances in the series.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014   General Artist
Sadly, Rodimus is one of those characters who has a mixed reputation among the Transformers fandom. Some people like him, and some people don't. Me personally, I feel that he had so much potential, and he was much better handled in the 1986 film than he was in most of his other appearances that followed after. And yes, it's true; he was responsible for Optimus' death. But realistically, the script writers are the ones to blame for Optimus' death. Not Rodimus. I would love for Rodimus to have more appearances and importance in later series or films. But sadly, I don't see that happening anytime soon. He deserves better treatment, but some people think quite the opposite.
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TheNightSky1998 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Student General Artist
I agree on the more appearances he deserves, but I guess his relationship status in fandom won't change sadly.... But that doesn't mean he's hated by all, and maybe in a future film he'll debut.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014   General Artist
That's right. Just because he has a mixed reputation, doesn't mean it's not possible for him to return. It's possible, even though it may not happen anytime soon. Maybe one day I can bring him back to the forefront. That is if I can make it into the business. Even to this day, I see a lot of room for him to shine. I mean after all, Optimus isn't the only Autobot leader they can give attention to.
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TheNightSky1998 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Student General Artist
Indeed, and since sadly Ratchet died in the most recent film, who's going to take his place, maybe Rodimus? 
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014   General Artist
Somehow I doubt it. Like I said in this entry, I've lost hope for Rodimus to make a comeback. If it was up to me, I would no doubt put him in there. But I don't think they would ever touch him.
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TheNightSky1998 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Student General Artist
It's a mystery....
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adamlairdkatswell Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013
I always collect optumus prime but i never have rodimus prime.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013   General Artist
Really?
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adamlairdkatswell Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013
Yes never have rodiumus prime,he was a ok leader.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013   General Artist
I respect that.
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adamlairdkatswell Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013
I think david kaye did ok as optumus prime but he was megatron.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013   General Artist
David Kaye has a nice voice. But I prefer Peter Cullen.
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adamlairdkatswell Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013
I think i do a good job as optumus prime.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013   General Artist
Really? Awesome.
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Jo5eph29 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
The Biggest question for me is if Hotrod didnt get in the way of saving Optimus Prime is that do all people think Optimus Prime will pull the trigger? Will he still end up the same fate if Hotrod didnt get in the way? If I am in Optimus position I woudnt give Megatron a chance to beg for mercy, now if I am in Hotrods position should I let my self watch megatron double cross prime or watch optimus getting killed or will I get in the way without thinking. Its true as a leader he lacks courage but that doesnt mean he is weak or not a great Leader in fact aside from beating Galvatron and destroying Unicron under his Leadership the Autobot reclaimed or took back Cybertron and kicked the Decepticons to planet Char which Optimus Prime failed to do and have been fighting for milenia of years. I just realized if im in his position for him maybe the burden of Leadership is too great coz right now in my Job I started as a trainee I got promoted as a asst. cook then now a commis what if I started as trainee then the next day I become an Executive chef I ask my self can I handle the job or will I screw it? Like Rodimus when he was Hotrod his just a low or mid ranking autobot warrior maybe even lower than bumble bee then suddenly became a Leader. But what I really liked about him is that even he lacked experienced as a Leader he is full of potential and I think that is the reason why the Matrix of Leadership choose him to be the next Prime.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012   General Artist
Sorry for the late response. But you have stated valid points there. I agreed with pretty much everything you stated. Especially the fact that Rodimus was able to banish the Decepticons to planet Char after the events of the 1986 movie. And from where I'm standing, that alone is saying a lot. And to this day it puzzles me why people continue to push him aside and neglect him. And don't get me started on his appearance in TFA. Because that brings back bad memories. But anyway, I think Rodimus's weary and insecure personality is very realistically written. In fact, I think a lot of us have some of Rodimus in us. Like him, I share his uncertainty of everything and I'm full of self-doubt. In my point of view, Rodimus represents the kind of person who struggles every day of his life with the countless challenges of the world. And in my point of view, that makes him a very special character. Even though some people think quite the opposite.
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ToonTorment Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
Just as the writers should shoulder the blame for Optimus' demise, I think they should for the Rodimus' treatment, here. What you're describing reminds me of the absolute loathe for Scrappy that subsequent writers and artists for the Scooby Doo franchise have; most (if any) of them didn't work on the show when the character was forced onto the writers, so their rage against him is purely fan-rage. It's the same way with the DC animation and comic writers / artists and their treatment of characters that were made for the Superfriends show (Wonder Twins, Marvin and Wendy, Apache Chief, Samurai and Black Vulcan).

So, basically, I think it boils down to writer backlash against the post-movie cast (especially Rodimus) either catering to fan-rage to appease whatever "purists" might watch the new shows, or catering to the writers' own fan-rage before they became professionals. Other writers have little or no background about the previous established continuities and are just doing what pays the bills, or just don't care and think they can do better than the "toy commercial cartoons" of the 80s. A lot of those toy commercials did tell a good story, and those writers are deluding themselves if they think that the new cartoons were intended by producers as anything other than what their predecessors were.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012   General Artist
You know, you have a point there about Scrappy Doo and the characters who were introduced in Hanna Barbera's Superfriends show. We never saw any of those characters since that show. It's almost as if though the writers of the current shows have never heard of them or refuse to use them at all. I'm not exactly sure what goes on out there during production. But I'm pretty sure it all has to do with biased opinions and the level of dislike certain characters have gotten from a number of anti-fans. In fact, I think what you said could very well be the case. And I'm pretty sure that the makers of TFA totally hated Rodimus or they just didn't care much about him at all. I mean why else would they condemn him to having such a brief short-lived appearance in that show before killing him off so quickly? I mean they made it obvious that they hated Rodimus. For me, that was a big slap in the face. And that only further enforces the reasons why Transformers: Animated is one of my least favorite shows in the franchise. I respect that the show has its fans and all, but its definitely not one of my favorite shows.

And by "toy commercials", I believe you were referring to the G1 cartoon and the 1986 movie? If so, I agree. To be fair though, the original G1 cartoon had its ups and downs. It will always have a special place in my heart being that I'm an old-schooler and an 80s fanatic. Needless to say Transformers was one of the franchises that I first came to know in my youth when it was new. But looking back at it today, I can see why some people are biased towards it. Aside from the poorly executed animation, (which I always knew had its fair share of errors) some episodes from the show didn't make a whole lot of sense, and were kind of goofy and absurd. Even season 3 suffered from this problem. But throughout the series, there were also episodes that had a deep and in-depth plot and story that had me engaged. In short, some episodes were watchable and believable, and some episodes were downright absurd as hell. But believe me, some episodes really stood out for me. And for me, that's what counted the most along with all the likable characters the series introduced to us. These days, I feel that many of the past TF shows that followed in the wake of the G1 cartoon tried too hard to be comedies and spoofs. But most of them failed miserably. Especially RID and Armada which are two of the shows I really hated. But the current show "Transformers: Prime" seems to be the first TF show that got it right. In fact, its the first show I've come to appreciate in years since G1 and since Beast Wars. It's basically like a cross between G1 and the live action movies without all the bullshit that plagued the Michael Bay movies or any of the past shows.
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redconvoy Featured By Owner May 20, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Good rant. I also blamed the writers for writing Rodimus/Hot Rod the way they did. I never really watched animated, but I saw part of the Rodimus episode on Youtube and Judd Nelson sounds different, but he didn't sound too bad. I remember watching the Breakfast Club and then when I watched the movie a few months ago, I was like, was Judd Nelson on something when he played Hot Rod? John Bender is a big departure from Hot Rod XD I also thought Hot Rod was portrayed as a bit of a tool in the movie. I think Kup should have given him a sedative.

I think Rodimus Prime was given a lot more respect and was more developed by Simon Furman with the UK comics from Marvel. He was more confident and more like a leader. Arcee was his second in command later on. I think Hot Rod/Rodimus was more in character in the comic than the cartoon series. I became more of a fan of his with the comic book series. When I wrote a fanzine, I followed Furman's universe and I still do with IDW's universe.

IDW has Rodimus currently in a series called More than Meets the Eye which is pretty funny. They write his character well. He's in the other IDW series also because I think they all mesh together.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner May 20, 2012   General Artist
Sounds like we share a similar opinion. Yeah; I guess I may have overdid it with talking about Judd Nelson as he is today. He may not have sounded too bad, but he certainly has aged. And his voice is an indication of it. Personally, I couldn't tell the difference between how Nelson sounded like when he performed in his roles of John Bender and Hotrod/Rodimus Prime. Cuz to me, his voice sounded virtually identical. Especially if you count the fact that the Breakfast Club came out only a year before the original Transformers movie. I'll have to give credit to the comics for at least sheding some light on Rodimus. Not to mention he seems to recieve much better treatment than he recieved from G1 or Animated put together.
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redconvoy Featured By Owner May 22, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I was talking more about attitude differences. John Bender was more darker and Hot Rod was not. I thought it was a funny contrast. Heh.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner May 22, 2012   General Artist
Oh, I see. Well, thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm just saying though, they sounded pretty identical to me.
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SilverZeo Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist
Come to think of it, Enzo from ReBoot is ALOT like Rodimus... both young, not sure of themselves when they take the role of the men they admired, and they kinda "fail" to live up their responsibility of their roles... except Enxo became a badass while Rodmius... umm... sort of faded to the background... unless the comics did something...
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011   General Artist
Yeah. It's clear to say that Enzo had much better treatment than Rodimus ever had. Not to mention he even got to kick ass while he was at it. And again, the writers of season 3 of the G1 cartoon totally dissed Rodimus and treated him like he was nothing special. And that's why I said that Rodimus today is but a mere shadow of his former self. He was better written in the movie from where he first appeared, which earned him my respect in the first place. And that's why I never really lost my respect for him after all this time.
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SilverZeo Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist
Take it up with bad writing. Around that time, SPider-Man married Mary Jane, and what did she do most of the time? Just waited around in their apartment, worrying about Peter, or just to get kidnapped. THis happen for sometime unti the writers tried to be creative with the supporting cast more.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012   General Artist
Sorry for the late response on this. But what's that got to do with Rodimus? I mean its bad enough that he met with an untimely demise in TFA. For me, that's not being creative. That's simply the writer's way of saying "Introducing Rodimus!" And then they just throw him away in the trash can and they never refer to him again. What's worse is that they back up their excuses with saying he survived when there's a good chance he didn't. And like I said here, that's like running over a dog in the street and saying it lived when there's a good chance it didn't.
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SilverZeo Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012  Hobbyist
I think if they could have another season, they would have more about Rodimus, maybe having him recover from his defeat. But still, I found even in short appearance, and in the end gets deafeated, he was still awesome.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012   General Artist
Oh... I see... Well, it's ashame the show got cancelled. I guess if given the chance, Rodimus would have had more screentime and development. So I guess I'll cut TFA some slack. But his short lived appearance totally killed the experience for me. Cuz like I said before, TFA didn't do him justice. In fact, I'd like to forget about his appearance in TFA, and cherrish the memory of his debut in the 1986 film. Because in my mind, that defined Rodimus much more than any other incarnation has. The least I can hope for would be that Rodimus would gain better treatment elsewhere. But I know that's very unlikely. I just hope TF Prime won't repeat the same mistake. Cuz I'll be damned if the same thing happens again.
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Spike-Angus77 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
I don't remember Rodimus Prime that well; in fact, it wasn't until recently that I actually saw the old Transformers film from 1986. I did not know about Optimus Prime's death until I read about it in a book. And from what you told me, Rodimus does have to share the blame. But if you ask me, and like you said, he didn't do it all by himself. He was only the Cybertronian equivalent of a young man, almost like a rebellious teenager or a cocky young adult. Apparently, it seems that there were more acting in concert with what happened to Optimus Prime.

I read in my TF guidebooks that Rodimus Prime/Hot Rod's major weakness is that he lacks self-confidence in himself. He is also insecure and a bit hot-headed, but if anything, he did not ask to be the next Prime. That decision was practically made without his consent, which is how a lot of things work in our world. I liked his G1 effigy the most, though I never saw most of the other incarnations of the Transformers apart from Beast Wars. But Cheetor of Beast Wars seemed like a mix between Hot Rod and Bumblebee. Anyway, that's not the point.

The point is, Rodimus Prime is one of my favorite TF characters on the Autobot side, though I won't say he's cooler than Optimus Prime, considering Optimus had first claim on the fanboys' hearts. I also like Wheeljack, who was one of the old regulars from Seasons 1 and 2, along with the Dinobot Swoop (because he is a pterosaur). Because of what I read regarding the whole Optimus Prime death incident, I knew that his death was coming, since I had only seen the very end of the old TF 1986 film. On another note, Rodimus Prime somewhat reminds me of a later Japanese cartoon character Daisuke, or Davis (in the dub) from Digimon Season 2. I only say that because they both sport flames, they are somewhat brash and cocky, and they are the successors of their old leaders (who act like mentor figures). What do you think? And thank you for bringing up these good points.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner May 20, 2012   General Artist
I'm so sorry for responding to this so late. But I think you and I are pretty much on the same page here. Indeed, Rodimus is one of those characters who sadly doesn't get much attention. Needless to say he's recieved a lot of hate as of late. But I've always valued him and cherrished him as one of my top childhood icons. I have to agree with you about Cheetor from Beast Wars. In fact, now that I think of it, he did seem a bit like a cross between Bumble Bee and young Hotrod. And yes; Rodimus is nowhere near Optimus's league. But ultimately, his youthful personality and his insecurity are what made him special. And I remember you telling me about Daisuke from season 2 of Digimon. And I remember how you told me how he's very similar to Rodimus in some ways.
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Spike-Angus77 Featured By Owner May 21, 2012
I'm glad we're on the same side. I never knew about a lot of people hating Rodimus Prime. Some people said that G1 Transformers went downhill after the 1986 movie, but it was decent for me. But thank you for spelling that out.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner May 21, 2012   General Artist
Truth is, season 3, which followed shortly after the 1986 movie, did have its ups and downs. There were some episodes that were beleivable, and there were some episodes that were absurd as hell. But otherwise, you and I are on the same page. Trust me, if you look around on various chat rooms regarding Rodimus, you'll see that there's a lot of people who despise him. But I'm definitely not one of them.
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Spike-Angus77 Featured By Owner May 21, 2012
Thank you for that.
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dragonheart07 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I agree here what you said here on Rodimus Prime. His G1 counterpart is the best of them all. While he was taking responsibilities there as the new leader of the Autobots through Season 3, he didn't have the wisdom and the experience like Optimus Prime did which is sort of the reason why later in the end of Season 3, he was infected by the Hate Plague that was spreading rampant throughout the Earth and the entire galaxy in which Optimus had no choice but to get the Matrix of Leadership back and destroy the Hate Plague for good to cure everyone.

You know that the voice actor who did Rodimus Prime in Season 3 is Dick Gautier who also did Serpentor in GI Joe Season 2 as an interesting sidenote. But RP does deserve the credit there since he did everything to keep the Autobots together throughout Season 3 during Optimus Prime's absence.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011   General Artist
That is true. And I have to admit that Optimus Prime's dramatic comeback towards the end of season 3 was quite a surprise. In fact, I know I may have mentioned this in my review of the 1986 movie, but I have to admit that I was in tears of joy when Optimus returned from the dead. It was unexpected, but I was quite happy to see him back in action again even though the show ended so abruptly shortly afterwards. But for me, the highlight was that Optimus returned for a good reason which was to find a cure for the hate plague. Because as you said, Rodimus got infected, and the only way it could be stopped was by taking back the matrix, and using its power to cure the entire galaxy.

Yes; I two am aware that Rodimus was voiced by Richard (Dick) Gautier in season 3. In fact, I thought he sounded different because I knew that wasn't Judd Nelson's voice I was hearing. But it's understandable that someone had to fill in Nelson's shoes since he had other things to do at the time. But I have to say I didn't like Gautier's voice too much. He didn't sound like an old man, but he sounded much older than how Nelson sounded like back in the day. And you know what's interesting? Dick Gautier is actually a lot older than Judd Nelson. He was born somewhere in the 1930s. So by the time season 3 was being broadcast on televsion, he was somewhere in his 50s. I two am aware that he also did the voice of Serpentor in GI Joe.

As a Transformers fan in general, I've always had great respect and admiration for Optimus Prime. In fact, back in my youth, he was one of my top childhood heroes who I've come to love. And as you may or may not remember, I've even mentioned in my review of the 1986 movie that I was devastated when he died in his fight with Megatron. And trust me, I very depressed just like every other fan was. But it's good to know that he recieves the most attention these days. But unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Rodimus, who I have since come to respect and value equally as much as I value Optimus, but has recieved mixed to negative reception. And again, the chances of ever seeing him again is very rare.
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dragonheart07 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Same here which like you, I also have respect to Optimus Prime and think of him as my childhood hero. ^^ :) But everyone should give at least Rodimus some credit there. BTW, have you heard about the upcoming movie Promoetheus? It's a prequel to the first Alien movie that is coming out next year. Here's the trailer [link] . It looks great and I can't wait to see it. ^^ :D
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2012   General Artist
Sorry for the late response. But I did see Prometheus. And from what I understand, that movie is a prequel to Alien. Correct me if I'm wrong. All in all, the movie itself was pretty cool.
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dragonheart07 Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It is in a way a prequel to the Alien series since it takes place in the same universe and 30 years before the events of the first Alien movie. ^^
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fanfictionaxis Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I agree with you there with Rodimus Prime. His newest incarnation was not good. I liked him as a race car and a young man's voice, not an old man's voice.
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011   General Artist
In both the 1986 film and TFA, he was voiced by Judd Nelson. And again, I always had a deep sense of respect for Nelson back in my childhood. And back then, he was the perfect choice for Rodimus. But today, that's an entirely different story.
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fanfictionaxis Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah, he was perfect when he was young but he aged and his voice did too. Hot Rod is a young, upstart of a Autobot and not a seasoned vet like Optimus, who's voice really never changed but for the last LA movie, you could tell his voice over actor was in grief and no one probably realized till later in TF: Prime when the news came out that Peter Cullen's older brother who was the inspiration for the voice of Optimus had died, thus the grief sounding in Optimus' voice during the last movie.
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